you know yet heart disease you don't get diabetes you don't get dementia you can get a cold but you don't get these things and it's a very different way of thinking about disease it's a systems problem it's how the body is out of balance it's a way of working with the body that looks at the body is a whole dynamic interacting ecosystem that you can change by taking out the bad stuff and putting in the good stuff welcome back if one of the school of greatest podcast we have the legendary dr. Mark Hyman in the house good to see you sir Thank You Louie excited the last time you're wrong was two years ago actually years ago talking about fat talking about fat and how we're talking about food what the heck should I eat is the new book makes you guys check it out New York Times best seller already crushing it and helping a lot of people the no nonsense guide to achieving optimal weight and life long so what should I eat no you were talking about this before that every day we get multiple times to vote on what we want to put inside yeah body right I should be eating and we have control over this mmm I guess most people do right most people do not everybody on the planet but most people do have choice about what they eat and what they put in their bodies and how it impacts everything that matters in the world mmm-hmm how does it impact everything well I wrote this book because people are confused like they don't know what to eat their herring paleo vegan keto low fat high fat low carb high carb raw what our sugar no sugar it's like there's no you know there's no soda diet that everybody believes in but pretty much everything else you know and and so I really want to answer that question and in answering that question it really became clear to me that the field is so confused because there's so much money in the food system the striving that food we eat and the way we grow the food and the kind of food that we produce and the way its marketing the way it's distributed and the way it's promoted are literally driving almost everything that's wrong with our society and people don't understand how it all connects together for example yes we know that we eat that food we get sick and fat but the truth is that food is the most powerful driver of chronic disease which affects one out of two people now and it costs eighty four percent of our three point two trillion dollar healthcare costs or for chronic disease so that's a big deal and that is affecting our economy right because most people to understand that Medicare and Medicaid are gonna go bankrupt in twenty years because a hundred percent of our federal revenue from taxes will be required to pay for Medicare Medicaid for chronic disease today one third of the budgets of most states is for chronic disease through Medicaid that's just the health and economy then it goes on the climate I mean food system itself is the number one cause of climate change food waste we waste 40% of food we grow food in terms of soil practices that deplete the soil we've lost 1.1 billion acres of arable land to deserts which then affects Harbor in the environment because soil holds carbon healthy organic soil actually sequester's carbon they if built back up its scale could take us back to the pre-industrial era of climate change and on top of that the carbon goes in the environment goes the oceans and then kills the phytoplankton by acidifying the oceans and the phytoplankton are these single-cell organisms that are essentially the bottom of the food chain in the ocean but they produce 50% of our oxygen so every other breath you take comes from the ocean not a rain forest so the way we're growing food tilling industrial agriculture all is damaging that factory farm animals is really the number one cause of climate change factory farm why is that just because all the pollution the employers yeah because one we use industrial agricultural practice to grow the food so 70 percent of our agricultural lands are to grow food for animals for human consumption in other words soybeans and corn and all the feedlot cows that eat not grass but eat corn and so which they're not supposed to eat and who knows what of the junk right plus given antibiotics and so forth then all the chemicals that are used in industrial agriculture the fertilizer is the besides there besides all runoff into the into the waterways then it kills the waterways and you have dead zones the size of New Jersey in the Gulf of Mexico from our agricultural practice and so all these things are combining to actually drive climate change plus one fifth of our fossil fuel consumption is used for industrial agriculture so it's a huge problem that most people don't realize so our environment and our climate are are being driven by the food we eat hmm and then of course there's the social issues people don't understand that the quality of the food we eat the processed food they've refined oils the sugars the chemicals the additives affect behavior we know for example louis that in prisons if you give people a healthy diet in prisons they will reduce violent crime in the prison by 56% if you add a vitamin supplement it goes down by 80% because they're all nutritionally depleted I mean I had a patient not a patient he was a I don't know he was a guy was in jail was a murderer he wrote me a handwritten letter years ago he said I followed your program in jail I realized I was a murderer my behavior was so violent my whole life and when I changed my diet I became a completely different person I realize it was what I was eating and now I am so thankful for having my life back so you think our diet also determines our behavior absolutely there clear evidence about that I'm just reading a study the other day that showed that people eat a lot of carbohydrates and sugars and starches have much more violent behavior we know that people eat refined oils which we now have 10% of these as our calories from soybean oil it's in everything it's not less than we put in our food it's in every packaged processed food that has led to increase in homicides and violence and suicides around the world and we've gotten higher on these refined Omega 6s and low on omega-3s so the evidence of how it affects behavior moved poverty it keeps poor communities down and then the food industry targets these communities disproportionately so you have all these things happening at the same time and then kids kids can't learn in school because they're eating Doritos and coke and they can't actually focus and learn and their behavior is all erratic and they're on these chemicals which alter their behavior that's why you know 106 kids has some neurodevelopmental problem which is enormous right ad D now effects you know one out of ten kids I think 14% of kids have a DB and my one in 10 kids are on medication do you think a DB can be moved if we have a better diet or is that something absolutely I I'm the brainer no absolute no it's not a brain problem it's a body problem and the body problems caused by our diet and by environmental toxins and I've had hundreds of the ATV patients who transformed their lives I mean I just we're talking about the broken brain documentary series I did I had a guy I was in a New York Russian bathhouse in there Dave did I come to that's alright series I were gonna a knee medication my whole life and it helped me get off my medication I mean we see this so you've got health you've got the economy you've got social justice and poverty issues you've got climate you've got environment you've got education it's all connected and the issue is that most people don't connect the dots number one and most people don't realize that we're in this situation because of money in the food system that's driving our policies right you were measuring how you know there's some press hit that you do I won't mention who but that would say you can't talk about certain things because of a sponsor that's funding oh yeah oh yeah we can't talk negative about one brand or 100 diet or no because of that yeah that's right I was told well you can't cover this subject because we get our funding from this sponsor I can tell you a story from the past cuz it shows not on the air anymore I was a Martha Stewart Show and I was on the show and we're working with the producer and we were talking about getting healthy and working out and detoxing and Martha had her trainer there and the producer says what we're gonna have to do a bit as part of the segment on dairy and how dare is such a great sports recovery drink no way yes and so I was like you know I'm just sorry to tell you but there's all this evidence that that's not true so I downloaded all the scientific papers documenting the science behind the fact that dairy isn't a sports drink and he's like mmm I know but we kind of have to because this spot is sponsored by the dairy cow my god and then the if you're ever on television you know that the experts don't get notes they don't get cue cards they don't get teleprompters they have to know their stuff well this woman who was the trainer had all these two cards that was being held up about dairy with all the all points of wide-area such a great food and sports drink it's insidious so we think we're getting news we're thinking any author from experts – from my exams or specialists or experts and we are influenced by these acts fuge I mean if the evidence is so clear that you know industry is heavily funding science and their funding corrupt science so if you look at the data for example artificial sweeteners 99% of the studies done by the food industry show that they are safe 99 percent of the studies on artificial sweeteners done by independent scientists find that they're not safe mmm you know if your industry funds a study they're eight to 50 times more likely to find a positive benefit for their product and rav4 right where you look you look at the ads and then you look at the American Heart Association American diabetic Association the American nutrition I mean the American nutrition Dietetic Association these are all funded by the food industry and if you look it's coca-cola its Pepsi its Cargill it's it's frightening to see how much money is you have Trix cereal for kids as a heart-healthy cereal Cocoa Puffs Lucky Charms I mean tricks has seven teaspoons of sugar red dye blue dye yellow dye you die in hope it's all in there and it's a heart-healthy food why because they get $300,000 for every time they put that check on a box no way yes way and this is happening globally globally I mean there's a huge battle going on in Malaysian out because Nestle has has promote of this drink called Milo which I never heard about but it's a big drink in the developing world in Asia and South America and it's basically Ovaltine it's basically a malted beverage with sugar that has the same glycemic index as coca-cola and they have athletes on there in sports characters and how it's a great drink for health and the head is commercial which I saw which was a Filipino rock star singing this great you know rap song about how everybody who's a kid has an energy gap four or five kids have this thing called an energy gap I was a medical conference what's an energy gap I mean I was at a medical conference of 1,500 doctors is anybody here heard of an energy gap that four out of five kids have no they completely made this up and they say these kids need Milo for the energy gap yeah and they this guy who lives over Malaysia called them out on this and they came out with this huge propaganda campaign against him to discredit him and manipulating the facts and you know lying and I'm it's I was just watching this whole thing it's unbelievable so it's not an accident that we're in this situation wow the manipulation yeah and do you think that all inflammation chronic pain and disease is can be eliminated from the foods we eat or is caused by foods I think besides having like a car accident or something yeah they're you know I'm a functional medicine doctor you know run the Center for function medicine at Cleveland Clinic and so we look at the root causes of disease and they are many right there's environment there's lifestyle there's genetics all affect these various systems in your body right so we always say there's five causes of all disease based on how they influence your genetics and combined with your lifestyle toxins so environmental toxins that's not your fault that's just the fact we put 80,000 chemicals the environment without testing them we have 3000 food atoms we eat every year as Americans about 3 to 5 pounds of it which is frightening and you know there are heavy metals and pesticides everywhere so if we're exposed to odd toxins they make people sick infections which we can get whether it's viral infections and bacterial infections Lyme disease tick infections allergens which are increasingly common and or food sensitivities things where your body's create an immune response but it's gluten or dairy those are big and then poor diet and stress all those are contributing to disease but by far the biggest cause is for life are and and it affects I mean we what's amazing is it's not it's not just like a little bit so I can say all my migraines or my arthritis or my irritable bowel people don't connect the dots between how they feel and the food they're eating and then when you switch people have transformations very quickly yeah you know they notice it quickly quickly yeah I mean in goes away the weights goes off all these things yeah I mean always say food is medicine it's not just like a medicine it works faster better and cheaper than almost anyone drugged I mean we have people who are off insulin who are type 2 diabetics within a week you know and and get off all their medications I mean there was a huge study just published on a ketogenic diet intervention for type 2 diabetics and I don't think either genic diets are right for everybody but in an extreme situation where you're meant was so broken it can help reset things basically reducing carbs of 30 grams a day 70% fat and help in a contest a healthy plant rich diet and they were able to get a hundred percent of the people in a year over diabetics off of the main diabetes medication and 94 percent off insulin or dramatically lower with an average weight loss of 30 pounds about 12% of body weight and this is unprecedented in the research because food if you know how to apply it in the right way the right dose for the right person it's the most powerful drug yeah here's the thing you talked about in the book that you've been studying food for 35 years 49 for years I was like I did the math I the knight 2018 I was started in 1978 in college I'm like that old here's the thing you've got 11 New York Times bestselling books you've probably done how many books total 14 14 books 11 New York Times including this one food what what actually and for 40 years you've been studying food and you say even the experts are confused by the science they are they are so how come how come I thought about you know all the answers I don't think about 40 years I don't think I know all the answers but I don't have a bone to pick yeah in other words I haven't spent my life dedicated to the low-fat diet I haven't been dedicated my life to helio veganism I mean I I'm looking at like what works and the other thing I know is that I'm not an academic well I do research but that's not how I started I am a practicing doctor so what's happened over the years is the latest thing comes in I try it see what happens see what happens to patient so seeing tens of thousands of patients doing thousands and thousands of lab tests over the years seeing what happens when people change their diet and how their biology responds that's the best laboratory lever see anonymous I even noticed myself I was a vegetarian for 10 years and I see pictures of myself when I was 28 and I am so scrawny even though I ate really healthy I ran 5 miles a day I did yoga all the time and I look at myself now and doing far less exercise and I am far more muscular and had more muscle mass than I did when I was 28 as I learned how to change my diet and we know that with the right kind of high high fat diet and and and adequate protein actually increases muscle mass Wow yeah I mean I literally just got phone with a friend this is you know I went on a vegan diet and three days into it like I can't lift anymore yeah but then you see some like you know athletes that are all vegan this trick gained muscle mass in case you're anything you're like well what is maybe they're taking steroids I don't know who knows do you think so you think living a vegetarian or vegan fully vegan or vegetarian lifestyle that it's hard to gain muscle mass I think it's hard it's hard it's not impossible I mean if you really work at it and really work out and they are great vegan athletes out there but there's never been a historically voluntary vegan society ever and when you look at yes we look lose owns er no they were never exclusively vegan really right they always had some animal food or something yeah and you know as hunter-gatherers we eat eight hundred species of plants so we had a very plant rich diet but we also included wild animals when we could catch them and so it's is part of our evolutionary history and our bodies are well adapted and the protein in vegetables is different so for example there's something called leucine which is an amino acid that is the rate limiting amino acid for muscle synthesis in other words in order to bustle you need this amino acid and it's very low in plant proteins very high in animal proteins right so why not just live a plant-based diet and it happened the supplement you could you could and I you know I'd paste or vegans monks I mean I'm not gonna of course people not to eat it but it's much harder to do and you have to know what you're doing and and I see people over time initially when they switch from a processed American diet to a whole foods vegan that they are gonna get so much better yeah but the real issue is compared to what right right I really you do is and they and they looked at over time these big studies looking at animal and plant proteins and stuff over time looking at what people do it there's a there's a vegan vegetarian omnivore study which was two hundred forty five thousand people it was an observational study but they didn't find any difference in outcomes mmm another study forty two country study looking at food pattern consumption over a long period of time showed actually the people had animal fat and protein did far better than people who focus on cereal grains in their diet less heart disease another study the peer study just came out recently 135 thousand people that was five continents in 18 countries 10 years and there was actually an improvement when people had more saturated fat and more good fats and less cereal grains and more animal protein more animal protein or more than Oprah yeah yeah it was not a risk factor right now these are difficult studies to interpret sometimes because there are there observational but you look at interventional studies where you intervene by giving people high fat protein diets with lots of plant foods people do better metabolically so really the item it's very hard to eat a low glycemic diet if you're a vegan you can but it's very hard I have a friend who's a keto vegan and she's a type 1 diabetic and she's rocking it but you have to know what you're doing it's so disciplined yet super disciplined super smart about as challenging yeah so I think I think you know I'm the data on meat honestly which I'd go into the book in great detail it's confusing for people because there's this it all depends on the factors of the meat yeah when you get at the environment it's in how is fat you know it's recipes right exactly what's Ross has everything right totally right so you know people go we shouldn't be eating meat because it's better for the animals better for the environment right yes we should not be eating factory for me this is really bad it's bad for the animals it's bad for the planet it's bad for us because the quality of the meat is very poor but let's say a wild elk or a grass-finished bison or even cow very different and it turns out that these animals actually have higher levels of omega-3 fats and higher levels of antioxidants and minerals and nutrients and beneficial fats and and actually are great source of protein and don't have the harm that we think they do when you look at the studies that showed there was harm the reason they show that is because when you do a study observational study you give people a questionnaire in every year so you take 10,000 people a hundred thousand people and every year you get my question your wedgie wedgie last week when you and I if you can remember and people answer according to what they think they should answer a lot of times right so if meat is bad they're gonna underestimate the amount of meat they're eating so during the time of these studies meat was considered bad so people who ate meat didn't really care about their health so they smile and the data show it when you look at the factors of these people there are characteristics which you can read in the studies which I read they were overweight they smoked they drain they didn't fruits and vegetables they need exercise they didn't take vitamins any more processed food more sugar of course they were sicker Wow yeah now what are the three basic food rules that you live by me yeah well you know I always I was joking I used to teach a lot of churches and I go if ask yourself one question when you're shopping did God make this or did man make this right did God make a Twinkie no did God make an avocado yeah pretty simple rule yeah and you can even take that to its logical extreme did God make a feedlot cow no did God make a grass-fed cow yes right sure so you can kind of go down the line on all that that's the first principle second principles which we eating mostly plant-based diet we call plant rich I call plant 80/20 right yeah 80% 70% of your plant of your foods on your plate should be lots of vegetables nuts and seeds fruit whole foods and the third principle is we need a lot of good fats avocados olive oil I think there's contributions about some things nuts and seeds are good but then there's a whole saturated fat debate which we can get into we're refined oils but essentially we need a lot of good fats low starch and sugar plant rich diet and you know stay away from processed food yeah now should that be true for everyone or does it depend on your your body type your plant type your genetics so I I'd only call this the peak and diet right because I was sitting on a panel with friends of mine when was paleo when was big and they were fighting and I'm like listen guys you're pale you're vegan I must be a pee again and I was joking and then I occurred to me that you know there was more in common and there was different yeah then we can come up with these general nutritional principles that nobody's gonna disagree with right nobody thinks which mean a lot of starch and sugar everybody thinks we should be eating more plants everybody thinks if we eat animal protein that we should eat only sustainably raised or harvested or you know grass-finished protein that we should eat fish but it should only be finished it's low in mercury and toxins that doesn't over fish the oceans if it's farm raised it should be sustainable we should eat lots of good fats I mean there are a few outliers who still are holding on a low-fat dogma but the train has left the station on that one and so there's easy simple button that nobody thinks we should be consuming pesticides and herbicides in GMO that we should be having three pounds of food additives per person every year I mean nobody thinks we should be eating those things like nobody's gonna say okay I think you should have more butylated hydroxy toluene with your salad all right right our red dye number 40 right right these are things that are sort of inserted into our diet so those are principles that I've started outlined and it's adaptable what about grains and beans well you know some people do well on them some people don't and it really is individual but I talked about if you are going to here's the things to know about here's the grains to eat here's what you should or shouldn't do gluten why is it a problem who is it a problem for is our current wheat the we we used to eat no it's not so that has an impact what should we focus on could you have rye which is a you know has gluten in it but it's probably they're not gluten sensitive a much better food so it goes through every single chapter I go through me poultry fish eggs vegetables fruit nuts seeds beans grains and talk about the controversies what are the people fighting about what is the sign saying what do we know what do we not know there's still stuff we're learning right you're still discovering every day so it's really kind of a foundational principle book it's not extreme and so in the middle of the road this is kind of the Bible for you then kind of it's all the things you've learned pretty much 40-plus years now 14 books yes it is it's actually giving them other books I've written because the other books are topic specific you're on the brain or the run the tabloids or diabetes or sugar this is really if you're an eater and there's an about 9 billion of us it's probably something that will help and I also talked about how do you eat not just for your own health right what is the overall footprint of the food you eat what's the health footprint the economic footprint the carbon footprint the environmental footprint the I can educational footprint the now security footprint and even poverty and social justice footprint of what you eat because there are things we can't change as individuals we can't end nuclear war we can you know single-handedly you know and climate change but we can change what we eat because we do it all the time and the choice we make matter I mean I was just with the vice-chairman of Pepsi who's my new best friend you could imagine we had a great time together and you know we don't agree on a lot of things but it was fascinating listening to him talk about what's happening in the company as kind of shift to meet the consumer demand really so they're like how do we create special and he introduced me this engineer was working for him how do we create special types of packaging that's compostable but that keeps the food fresh we don't need to do is preservatives or artificial ingredients and we can have whole foods that we distribute globally and I'm like wow that's a great thing to be looking at okay so they're thinking of E and he said I was also asked to talk to the USDA annual meeting that got the Agriculture Department and I'm like Pepsi but they they he's talking about regenerative agriculture he's talking about how we're losing water by our farming practices we're losing soil we need to change that and they have enormous power because they're you know count they're bottling facilities yeah if they out there probably the number one food company in the world up there with Nestle right and they are interested in doing this and I'm like thinking wow here's the vice-chairman of Pepsi talking about regenerative agriculture I'm like holy cow very cool yeah we get impact yeah they could have an impact but it's they're responding to the demands of the culture they're responding to people who are voting with their Forks so it's a hopeful message now I get to change yourself but you get to impact everything I mean imagine if everybody in the world for one day had an Eden where they only ate real fresh whole food and they didn't shop or buy anything than a package this process in any way and didn't go any fast food restaurants and just ate at home and cook a meal changer totally just for one day man if we did that for a week or a month the whole system would change Wow yeah now as a functional medicine doctor I believe that you know you're more of like a therapist for a lot of people too they come to you and all their Chum they feel pain and one thing but there's some thoughts in affecting them right yeah what do you think's the main thing that they're feeding themselves maybe that's not food yeah that affects them on the pain or their body or yeah I think people are feeding their feelings a lot of time I mean it's a you know food has such an effect on mood it's so connected to how we think and feel and so when we're feeling sad or depressed we can stimulate our biology through food whether it's caffeine or alcohol or sugar or other chemicals in food that actually stimulate our brain to sort of feel better for a minute right and so we do that and we're human and we don't understand the difference and we don't know what's going on we don't see we're in this vicious cycle and it's tough and people have hard lives in hard situations but I believe in the power of community I believe in the power of each other to help support the change it's got to happen that way and that's what we do we work with communities who work in churches we help people become empowered in schools to actually start to do this together and it's so much more fun it holds people accountable it inspires people to change and it works and if we look at behavior change which is the biggest thing we're talking about here the hardest thing to do is on your own so I always say friend power is far more powerful than willpower mmm it's way easier to stay consistent with something with someone else supporting you accountability partner coach whatever man yeah I'm trying to do it on your own absolutely it's almost impossible to do right you're on right and that's why people listen your podcast and seek out these things because they're looking for some connection to something that they can hold on to that inspires them that eclipse then that gives them an idea of how how they can be better what's the biggest challenge you face in your life right now that you can improve on or get better at health-wise anything you know you're this this top expert super credible doctor the Cleveland Clinic seems like you got it all figured out but what's the thing either personal or fitness I'm ENGLISH Knoller yeah I mean I thought you can improve on well I'm everything I'm married and I had the most amazing wife and I'm just growing and growing and learning and how do I be like the best version of myself how do I be fully expressed and honest and in integrity and like value what's actually happening and I think that's like my most important work a lot of my career I just focus on my work work work and I'm like I'm like wait a minute you know this this fallacy you're going on right so what's the biggest challenge you face with this new chapter I think my phone so I actually I'm giving giving her for our anniversary present a box which is a little like like sealed box that I'm gonna put my phone in when we're together one an hour no for a weekend or longer okay you know and I'm gonna tell my assistant if she needs anything to call her phone yeah but I'm like I said it's a symbolic but it's like and it's sort of invasive and I'm like you know nothing is that important that should interfere with our human connections right right there's one other thing that I'm working on what's it's struggling it's a struggle for me because you know I I feel like I've been lucky enough to see the emerging patterns that are changing in medicine and how we've come to think about disease quite differently based on the science called functional medicine but it's taking a long time to get it up to running and scale and that's that's a challenge that fear how to do that well the second thing is the food system because I feel like if we can go get how powerful we are as individuals as communities when we band together to do something around the food system it's bigger than anything we can ever do because you know for example civil rights that affects one group of people women's rights a large group of people gay rights a large group of people but small food affects everybody and people don't understand how our food system is keeping them down and it's limiting our ability to thrive and succeed as individuals or as a society and that's that's my real I think my next phase of my work is figuring out how do we empower people around the food system to understand these connections to understand how to become empowered how to activate movements and communities to sort of change the way we do things and just to then inspire policy change because it all has to come to that right now our food policies I mean just a farm bill alone which is every 10 years it's about a trillion dollar bill there's 600 lobbyists that spend half a billion dollars funding and lobbying congressmen on this farm bill Wow and and I remember when I went to Washington during the Obamacare era and I was advocating for funding for lifestyle interventions so we could incentivize doctors to do the right thing not just do medicine or surgery right and everybody's like this is the greatest idea Grayson yeah and you know they would say what lobby group are you from like who are you from I'm like nobody I'd it's just I'm here for the patients and the science like I'm lobbying for the science and it was Whitney was flabbergasted all these staffers and the which man the senators we met with they're like they didn't understand it because they don't experience individuals advocating it not as part of some big massive well have you got it right right that's interesting I'm curious now you wouldn't you become a doctor when'd you when did I go to medical school forty years ago when you I graduated med a school one years ago forty-one years ago thirty one year 31 years a graduated medical school yeah graduates but you got into it forty years ago yeah well I got into I'm Christian when I went to college okay so 31 years you've been is he called license doctor or what do you call sort of yeah I got my MD degree 1987 okay 31 years ago I'm curious what were the beliefs that you had going in 31 years ago that was industry standard that was like this is the belief of medicine or food or the body a lot of that that is that you believed in yeah so wholeheartedly but now you've realized 31 years later is completely false well actually I have owed Edie you know what that is what's that I'm odd and I was weird from the beginning so I was a vegetarian in college I was a yoga teacher before I was a doctor I studied systems thinking in college I studied alternative systems of healing and medicine from around the world my thinking was already there and I was setting herbal medicine I wasn't out of China I spoke Chinese I was gonna go to China and study Chinese medicine but I didn't want to grow us up in a communist dictatorship so I basically said I'll try medical school and see if I like it and I was fascinated with the body and I really never went away from it although I did really take it all the night I had to suspend all my criticism disbelief and just learn it as a system then I could unpack it and so then I began to sort of unpack it and discovered functional medicine early on and since then I've been focused on that as the new model for thinking about the body as a whole dynamic system was there any belief that you had after you learned everything from medical school where you realized he believed in something that became debunked over the last 31 yeah I mean I I really believe that there were these diseases that we label a name and that they were real things just like you know when you get a TB bacteria that's a real thing then you get tuberculosis when you have TB bacteria exposure but chronic disease doesn't like that so we've created these categories of disease like dementia or diabetes or cancer or rheumatoid arthritis or irritable bowel or whatever it is and we group people according to symptoms not according to causes you know it's just with Thomas insel who was the former head of the National Institutes of mental health and I'd asked him before I said what do you think of the dsm-5 which is the diagnostic category for psychiatric illness he says I think it has 100% accuracy meaning it groups people according depression or anxiety it's very good but has 0% validity I mean it's not valid because it doesn't describe well why only the what and that was a big AHA for me to understand that all these diseases I learned about a medical school as these finite things they were like they weren't something you get you know get heart disease you don't get diabetes you don't get dementia you can get a cold but you don't get these things and it's a very different way of thinking about disease it's a systems problem it's how the body is out of balance it's a way of working with the body that looks at the body is a whole dynamic interacting ecosystem that you can change by taking out the bad stuff and putting in the good stuff but that was a belief you had early on through Medical School yeah that's was taught yeah yeah now is there anything now that you believe in that you think will eventually be debunked in 30 years or 10 years or five years and you're like this is the truth this is the facts but who knows maybe there's not enough research or science or proof in that and 30 I think it's gonna turn out that our genes aren't as important as we think because that's where a lot of this stuff is coming from the genes how about your genes in fact we're in the gentleman here in the omics era and genomics and proteomics and metabolomics and all this stuff in terms of genes aren't important in terms of disease or yes of life I think that for that the diseases that we're seeing so yes if you have Huntington's chorea or you have down and Rome where you have you know some horrible and heritage genetic condition that's a dominant disease which is we call autosomal dominance a type of genetic single gene mutation that's kind of fixed although you can modify how those people do I'm talking about the rest of the chronic disease we have and I think you know it turns out looking at the research that your zip code turns out to be more important as a determinant of your health than your genetic code hmm that your friends and your and your social network is a bigger determinant of your health than your family so we know from Christakis work at harvard looking at obesity that people who are obese they're more likely to be obese if they have obese friends than if they have obese parents mmm right or siblings because these our social connections that drive our behavior if you're if you're eating you know fries and soda and burgers and watching TV all day and all your friends are doing that you're more likely to be overweight if you're going to yoga and drinking green juices you're gonna probably be healthier with if all your friends are doing that right so if your friends are modeling healthy behaviors and we live in a totally pure socially driven world I mean look what happen the me2 environment all of a sudden it was okay to say the truth and then you had like millions of women speaking out because it was okay was socially acceptable the peer group said yes you know that's how powerful and I think I'm hoping for that kind of change around food right so you think genetics don't play as much of a role as we know I think we're gonna we're gonna be disappointed by the Human Genome Project it's already failed to give us a lot of what we hoped it input it would give us really yeah powerful yeah I mean there's something called the expose ohm which is how our genes are exposed to different factors right so we call the expose ohm what you eat what you think what you feel your diet your stress level exercise sleep environmental toxins your microbiome all that is the the world you're exposed to it's what your genes are being washed over with every day turns out 90% of chronic disease is determined by the expose ohm not the genome hmm yeah pretty amazing stuff which is very empowering because you think oh it's my genes my dad at Alzheimer's my mom I got it hard to see my dad I diabetes my mom was this you're like okay what can I do but the truth is it's a very empowering message because people can change they can change your gene expression you can't change your genes but you can change which ones are turned on or off and how they work now did you believe at one point that the jeans did play a big role oh yeah for sure all of us did yeah powerful I loved it a couple questions left makes you guys get the book though before we finish up food what the heck should I eat that no nonsense guide to achieving optimal weight and lifelong health make sure you guys pick it up your time bestseller is crushing already this is called the three truth so I don't know if I asked you this last time you might have maybe but well we'll do it again and see what comes up so imagine your final day you live till you're 300 years old okay because you're the Fountain of Youth right now almost 60 right almost 60 58 is it sad yeah almost 6 I'll be 60 next year he looks like a 25 and on the book I love it 600 sugar yeah Wow well night 2019 I'll be 60 I hope I look like you when I'm 60 you're gonna live for as long as you want to imagine it's your final day you choose the day you've done everything you want to do and you've done it on you say you know what it's time for me I'm ready to go yeah you going here terms you've written 75 New York on best golf or bird you know every topic you could imagine there's a book out there that you've come out with you've done everything you want to do before whatever reason you have to take it all with you but no one has access to any of it you've got to take it all with you it goes with you in the grave but you get a piece of paper and a pen to share your final three truths in the world your final lessons and truth and that's what would stay behind but everything else you take with you so they won't have access to anything else but these three truths that you would write down what would you say are yours I would say the first thing is don't take yourself seriously show up with love in every interaction and everything you do and have fun it's a powerful ok it should be the book yeah there's no more books that's it I would acknowledge you for constantly showing up for you know for decades of the work you've been doing to help humanity live a better life and I just acknowledge you for consolation showing up with love with humility with fawn and passion you make it easier for us to understand the complicated and scary things because this stuff is really scary for a lot of people to understand what's happening to me why am I feeling this way why do I have this pain and I could've died as this and so to have someone of your level of credibility Authority who's doing the work researching the science and giving us simple ways to make better decisions it's a powerful thing so acknowledge you for that thanks though it's the court a lot of course now where can we fall you the most online wealthy book you could look at the book lots of great free information at food the book calm or you can check me out dr. Hyman calm Facebook Twitter Instagram I'm everywhere dr. Hyman everywhere pretty much it's Mark Hyman MD on Instagram and on Twitter and it's dr. Mark Hyman and face book and it's not hard to find all over the place awesome is there anywhere you hang out personally the most but you like to check in on on social media I really like it that much I think it's the strength it is distracted I you know I like Facebook cuz they keep times my friends I'm like and I like to see what they're doing and my son and got it but he made last night for dinner awesome what makes you guys get the book awesome book awesome man the final question is what is your definition of greatness my definite great my definition of greatness is is showing up being present and loved with everything you do dr. Mark Hyman thank you sir they appreciate you

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24 thoughts on “Heal Your Body With Food with Dr. Mark Hyman”

  1. It’s crazy when he said you can buy soda with food stamps but not chicken and soda prices went down but fruits and veggies cost more, shouldn’t it be healthy food is made affordable and junk food more expensive? All cheap food is unhealthy and that’s what’s pushed on us by ads and marketing, in turn we become unhealthy then doctors get paid to “fix” you from our own governments fault. Even healthy food, like Cheerios for example is made with genetic engineering which is dangerous

  2. Luke 12:22-31
    Do Not Worry
    Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life? Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

    “Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith! And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.

    Pray and listen to the Holy spirit in you and what it wants, you know what your body wants because God is telling you, be courageous and follow him more, God be with you all

  3. Wow!!! a great interview by Lewis with Dr.Mark. I stay in India and totally taken by his findings. i am off the sugar after istening to it.
    thanks for sharing.

  4. Ideal diet is low in starch says Dr Hyman.
    But in many populations that live the longest they eat beans, and in particular in Okinawa they eat 90% of their calories from sweet potato.

  5. I am so glad to see a whole systems approach to health.. finally people are getting it and the word is spreading! Learn more about soil health and plant health here (truly healthy soils make truly healthy plants, make truly healthy people):

  6. Thank you to Dr. Mark Hyman & Lewis Howes. I have been following Dr.Hyman for some time but to see hear & feel the dynamics of these beautiful human beings together was a gift. Loved it!!! TKS NJ

  7. Great interview, Howes. Thanks for your effort. Bought the book straight away, lol. I am a vegan and a endomorph. I been vegetarian and then vegan for a while, but the high carb diet is not good for my body. I have been trying to cut down some things to become a Pegan, but it is so f** hard. Plus I am not sure how sustainable it is on the long run. For now I'll make the change, but who knows how it'll go.

  8. Wonderful Interview! I am amazed at how much this kind of Interview can tell you about the person being interviewed! Mark Hyman not only has the wisdom we all need to hear but the HEART! the LOVE! and the HONESTY!!! that is for real. He is a true gift to all of us in this day and age! I so look forward to reading all of his ongoing gifts!

  9. The average person cannot get elk, boson, venison, etc. etc. SO DON'T EAT THE MEAT – CHICKEN FISH, ESPECIALLY PORK, NOTHING!!!!!! Really doctor. Come on now get real. Type 2 diabetes is cured by going vegan/whole food plant based!!!

  10. DOCTOR YOUR ARE WRONG HERE!! The animal proteins in flesh and dairy, eggs, attacks the heart muscle. My muscle tone improved soooo much now that I am vegan. And I am healed (via Jesus) of my CHF heart disease. WE DO NOT NEED TO EAT ANIMALS NOT AT ALL!!!! Type 2 diabetes is CURED on a whole food, plant based diet, so is fiber myalga, MS. Lupis, cancer, and of course high BP and obesity!!! Really, there are studies out there proving these facts. I am living proof. I was dying at age 52 now in a week I will be 60 – PRAISE GOD!! Read Gen 1:28 & 29 , Daniel 1:10-17!!!!!!!

  11. YUP PROBLEM: UNHEALTHY HORRIBLE, CHEMICAL, PROCESSED, ANIMAL, DAIRY/EGGS, CRAPPY FOOD, IN ELDERY REHAB/ CARE FACILITIES, HOSPITALS, PRISONS, MENTAL HOSPITALS, ETC. ETC. all run by the love of money, evil government, AND NO ONE WILL GET HEALTHY AND OR HEALED. We ourselves one by one take control of EVERYTHING WE PUT IN OUR MOUTHS. I did it and healed via Jesus, my CHF Heart Disease (diagnosed and given the death sentence @ age 52 in 2010 – my father died of it @ age 58, 1983). Thank you Doctor, Amen, and G-d bless!

  12. Now that am here I hope someone will answer my question regarding food combinations? I came across food combinations few weeks before and now am so confused on what to put together for a meal

  13. ADHD is a genetic neurodevelopmental disorder. Too often its stigmatized as a result of bad parenting or poor diet. It is a genetic disease and the brains of people living with this condition develop differently. Research does not support the claims the ADHD is caused by too much sugar, parenting or social-enviormental factors.

  14. ADHD cannot be removed just by changing our diet. Vaccinations are a huge culprit. Otherwise, I agree with his points. Thanks for the video!

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